Right outside of Richmond... We tried both. Prefer the little joint PG BBQ #1 to the larger shop. Big drum smoker in parking lot. Great sliced brisket and sauce, very good minced pork. Excellent sides. Ribs were tried only at the larger shop and were too "cafeteria-style" to my liking. Served slathered in sauce and falling off the bone. Nice bark, but no real smoke. Minced pork and sliced brisket had nice smoke rings, bark in every bite.